| That’s really BAD. Actually when you see all the prominent builders of bangalore are non professionals and lack basic knowledge of multi-storeyed building. This is even the case with puravankara, who take ages to complete their project. I saw many ppl staying in still under construction site (only 40% completed). This is ridiculous, high time these builders learn some professionalism and don’t cheat customers |
Showing posts with label Project Specific. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Project Specific. Show all posts
Thursday, September 17, 2009
Sobha Developers - One among cheats in Bangalore
Sobha Moonstone - Biggest Blunder and no compensation to customers
| I have booked apartment in moonstone in 2006 and till date they have hardly constructed it. After fighting for 6 months they have cancelled it and taken away 80,000 Rs of my money citing service tax and cancellation fees. I am yet to understand how a cancelled apt have service tax. |
Sobha Developers - biggest crooks on Earth
I was stupid enough to fall for the Sobha brandname and book a flat in one of their HSR properties. This is what I got in return:
3. As per CDP 2015 which was released in 2005, a 30-m road is supposed to run through the property cutting it into 2 pieces. SDL kept customers completely in the dark about this. It was only when some local villagers put up some banners in protest that we, the customers came to know about it. Even then, SDL first lied saying it was the act of some local miscreants trying to extract money. Now, the entire issue has come in the open. SDL, not only refuses to come to any solution - they are trying to pass the buck onto customers saying it is our problem. Strangely, even today if you call their marketing posing as a prospective customer, they will say that there is "no issue" with any CDP road.
4. Charges have been hiked by 150% for BWSSB and KEB. SDL says they are not liable to show receipts to customers as it is not "standard industry practice". They have levied an additional 20k for solar lighting to all customers citing a 2006 govt order while most customers purchased the flats well after that. An independent evaluation shows that they are making 6x profit on cost/watt. Service tax refunds are not paid back to customers - instead we are being told to take this up with the govt directly.
1. It’s 16 months past their committed delivery date and still no signs of handover.
2. There is no access road to the property. The 40 ft road that was marketed as access turns out to be pieces of land owned by different individuals who have filed cases of encroachment against SDL. One of them filed a case 4 yrs back and won it recently and has now fenced off his land thereby rendering the apts almost inaccessible. SDL knew about this for at least 4 yrs but still went on with the sale of apts hiding this litigation from customers. When some customers found about this through RTI, SDL flatly denied at first. When pressed further, they lied saying it is about some "other" stretch of land, whoch is NOT part of the access road. It has been 3 months since this road was fenced off and SDL has not been able to arrive at any solution.
4. Charges have been hiked by 150% for BWSSB and KEB. SDL says they are not liable to show receipts to customers as it is not "standard industry practice". They have levied an additional 20k for solar lighting to all customers citing a 2006 govt order while most customers purchased the flats well after that. An independent evaluation shows that they are making 6x profit on cost/watt. Service tax refunds are not paid back to customers - instead we are being told to take this up with the govt directly.
5. A major architectural blunder renders 3 blocks inaccessible from the ground floor level. Residents are expected to go to the basement and enter the blocks. Now, they are trying to make up by putting some iron staircase (remember factories) at the back side.
6. They have not paid compensation for the delay to any customer who have made even the slightest modification like changing a tile, fitting a bathtub or a switch (for which Sobha charged exorbitantly). To those, who did not make any changes (probably only 10% of the owners), they held back compenstation for 69 days citing reasons like Rajkumar’s death, rains in Oct 2005, sand strike of 2006 - events that took place well before most people booked their flats. Wonder why they left out Indira Gandhi’s murder, 1993 blasts, Godhra riots, .... And the list goes on.... Last but not the least, they shout at customers, misbehave with them and have no shame or decency. Their customer service folks never pick up the phones, seldom respond to emails.......
So friends, this is the true picture of the city’s premier builder - arrogant, unethical and full of fraudulent practices. I made the worst decision of my life by going with them. Please don’t go down the same path. If my post dissuades even one person from investing with SDL, I would consider to have done some service to mankind!!
So friends, this is the true picture of the city’s premier builder - arrogant, unethical and full of fraudulent practices. I made the worst decision of my life by going with them. Please don’t go down the same path. If my post dissuades even one person from investing with SDL, I would consider to have done some service to mankind!!
Monday, April 27, 2009
Sobha Developers - Sending False Status Reports to its Customers
Hi All
How are you all doing ? I found a few discrepancies in the status reporting of Sobha. For my apt they reported the Electrical switches have been fixed. I checked it yesterday, a month after their status report (Sobha Sunscape), and found it is incorrect. There was not even a single switch fixed. Same is the case is with doors. they reported all the internal doors have been fixed. Even after a month of their report I found the door of the balcony door is not yet fixed. These are minor gaps but still I have pointed it to them. I would suggest people to check the actual status w.r.t to what they are reporting.
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what the hell are these Sobha people thinking. They seem to be taking us for a ride in every little thing. That's so damn pathetic.
Hello Guys, On numerous occasions, I felt Sobha has resorted to very cheap and unethical ways in doing business. I feel they are worse than a low class builder. I really doubt their construction quality also now. I will never recommend any of my friends to buy a Sobha apt based on my personal experience.
How are you all doing ? I found a few discrepancies in the status reporting of Sobha. For my apt they reported the Electrical switches have been fixed. I checked it yesterday, a month after their status report (Sobha Sunscape), and found it is incorrect. There was not even a single switch fixed. Same is the case is with doors. they reported all the internal doors have been fixed. Even after a month of their report I found the door of the balcony door is not yet fixed. These are minor gaps but still I have pointed it to them. I would suggest people to check the actual status w.r.t to what they are reporting.
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what the hell are these Sobha people thinking. They seem to be taking us for a ride in every little thing. That's so damn pathetic.
Hello Guys, On numerous occasions, I felt Sobha has resorted to very cheap and unethical ways in doing business. I feel they are worse than a low class builder. I really doubt their construction quality also now. I will never recommend any of my friends to buy a Sobha apt based on my personal experience.
Saturday, April 25, 2009
Troubled Sobha Magnolia Resident
Sorry for the late posting... But I got to check this AM only as the CRM sent a mail, I had asked them to send a mail to all concerned and I am hoping they did so.
The Magnolia Residents continue to be taken for a ride "fullon" and nothing is being done. We cannot simply be mute spectators to happenings over there. I have gotten tired of being voluble in these sites as there is no use other than us exchanging verbose language it falls into deaf ears.
Every possible excuse, denials and delays in completion and handover of Magnolia Property that is the biggest CON GAME going on right now. I have taken possession in Mar09. Regd the flat. Interior work is on expedited pace. But what use? I cant move in May end as I thought.
They promised Mar end power. Then April 15th then 20th. Still no signs of power and elevators. I use the stairs to climb 12 flrs and wanted to do POOJA in April 3rd week again CANT DO IT!
I am just venting what else can I do? I am powerless frustrated and feel wronged and totally made fool of. We are watching and not doing anything.
Friends please come to the occassion and see if we can do something gather with and present with our feet.
In the final analysis I say all the investors, land owners have no interest in fighting. Only genuine owners who want to live there are fighting the nos for these are paltry single digits. So Sobha for all its transparency, honesty, publicly held status does not care a fig for small owners such as me and others.
Please think over the injustice done. It is high time someone pays for this denials & delays and taking responsibility for these and compensating the owners in due ways. It looks are cards are with the builder and we are just living in a Banana Republic with no rights at all.
- Troubled Sobha Magnolia Resident
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Hello,
Fully understand your frustration... Although I am not as eager to occupy the place in May, I am concerned about the lack of communication from Sobha and their inability to forecast anything...
I am going to be in India for a couple of weeks, starting May 01 - partly to get the apartment registered on May 12, but more to understand what else we can do about this....
In addition to the delays, there is over Rs.1 lac of Service Tax that they have collected and over Rs.4 lacs extra they have charged for BWSSB and KEB. In all cases, they are refusing to provide receipts of what they have paid to IT department or the State Bodies... Also they are refusing to pay any compensation for the delay claiming that there were modifications...
I think we ought to formally register the Sobha Magnolia Owners Association (SMOA), and get all owners to formally authorise SMOA to file a case against Sobha for recovering the excess payments made... That may well be over Rs.8 crores (4-5 lacs * 160 apartments) and will pay for the ongoing maintenance of the buildings for many years...
Let me know how the meeting goes...
Regards
The Magnolia Residents continue to be taken for a ride "fullon" and nothing is being done. We cannot simply be mute spectators to happenings over there. I have gotten tired of being voluble in these sites as there is no use other than us exchanging verbose language it falls into deaf ears.
Every possible excuse, denials and delays in completion and handover of Magnolia Property that is the biggest CON GAME going on right now. I have taken possession in Mar09. Regd the flat. Interior work is on expedited pace. But what use? I cant move in May end as I thought.
They promised Mar end power. Then April 15th then 20th. Still no signs of power and elevators. I use the stairs to climb 12 flrs and wanted to do POOJA in April 3rd week again CANT DO IT!
I am just venting what else can I do? I am powerless frustrated and feel wronged and totally made fool of. We are watching and not doing anything.
Friends please come to the occassion and see if we can do something gather with and present with our feet.
In the final analysis I say all the investors, land owners have no interest in fighting. Only genuine owners who want to live there are fighting the nos for these are paltry single digits. So Sobha for all its transparency, honesty, publicly held status does not care a fig for small owners such as me and others.
Please think over the injustice done. It is high time someone pays for this denials & delays and taking responsibility for these and compensating the owners in due ways. It looks are cards are with the builder and we are just living in a Banana Republic with no rights at all.
- Troubled Sobha Magnolia Resident
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Hello,
Fully understand your frustration... Although I am not as eager to occupy the place in May, I am concerned about the lack of communication from Sobha and their inability to forecast anything...
I am going to be in India for a couple of weeks, starting May 01 - partly to get the apartment registered on May 12, but more to understand what else we can do about this....
In addition to the delays, there is over Rs.1 lac of Service Tax that they have collected and over Rs.4 lacs extra they have charged for BWSSB and KEB. In all cases, they are refusing to provide receipts of what they have paid to IT department or the State Bodies... Also they are refusing to pay any compensation for the delay claiming that there were modifications...
I think we ought to formally register the Sobha Magnolia Owners Association (SMOA), and get all owners to formally authorise SMOA to file a case against Sobha for recovering the excess payments made... That may well be over Rs.8 crores (4-5 lacs * 160 apartments) and will pay for the ongoing maintenance of the buildings for many years...
Let me know how the meeting goes...
Regards
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
Sobha Developers - Sobha Magnolia - Incomplete Handover
Sorry for the late posting... But I got to check this AM only as the CRM sent a mail, I had asked them to send a mail to all concerned and I am hoping they did so.
The Magnolia Residents continue to be taken for a ride "fullon" and nothing is being done. We cannot simply be mute spectators to happenings over there. I have gotten tired of being voluble in these sites as there is no use other than us exchanging verbose language it falls into deaf ears.
Every possible excuse, denials and delays in completion and handover of Magnolia Property that is the biggest CON GAME going on right now. I have taken possession in Mar09. Regd the flat. Interior work is on expedited pace. But what use? I cant move in May end as I thought.
They promised Mar end power. Then April 15th then 20th. Still no signs of power and elevators. I use the stairs to climb 12 flrs and wanted to do POOJA in April 3rd week again CANT DO IT!
I am just venting what else can I do? I am powerless frustrated and feel wronged and totally made fool of. We are watching and not doing anything.
Friends please come to the occasion and see if we can do something gather with and present with our feet.
In the final analysis I say all the investors, land owners have no interest in fighting. Only genuine owners who want to live there are fighting the nos for these are paltry single digits. So Sobha for all its transparency, honesty, publicly held status does not care a fig for small owners such as me and others.
Please think over the injustice done. It is high time someone pays for this denials & delays and taking responsibility for these and compensating the owners in due ways. It looks are cards are with the builder and we are just living in a Banana Republic with no rights at all.
Srinivas
The Magnolia Residents continue to be taken for a ride "fullon" and nothing is being done. We cannot simply be mute spectators to happenings over there. I have gotten tired of being voluble in these sites as there is no use other than us exchanging verbose language it falls into deaf ears.
Every possible excuse, denials and delays in completion and handover of Magnolia Property that is the biggest CON GAME going on right now. I have taken possession in Mar09. Regd the flat. Interior work is on expedited pace. But what use? I cant move in May end as I thought.
They promised Mar end power. Then April 15th then 20th. Still no signs of power and elevators. I use the stairs to climb 12 flrs and wanted to do POOJA in April 3rd week again CANT DO IT!
I am just venting what else can I do? I am powerless frustrated and feel wronged and totally made fool of. We are watching and not doing anything.
Friends please come to the occasion and see if we can do something gather with and present with our feet.
In the final analysis I say all the investors, land owners have no interest in fighting. Only genuine owners who want to live there are fighting the nos for these are paltry single digits. So Sobha for all its transparency, honesty, publicly held status does not care a fig for small owners such as me and others.
Please think over the injustice done. It is high time someone pays for this denials & delays and taking responsibility for these and compensating the owners in due ways. It looks are cards are with the builder and we are just living in a Banana Republic with no rights at all.
Srinivas
Thursday, April 9, 2009
Sobha Developers - Cheating Innocent Customers
Sobha team and brand is not the same what it was 3 years ago. We bought Sobha Daffodill in HSR Layout, Bangalore in September 2006. The delivery date was March 2008 and it has been delayed to November 2009. Sobha has not made any effort to expedite the project, rather they are fooling new buyers by offering crazy schemes like "3bhk at 40% discount, occupation by May 2009". Please do not fall in the Sobha trap, as once you sign the contract and pay money, the builder will take you for a ride.
Sobha is continuously sending us project getting late information. Every time they say the project will be ready in next 3 months, and as a buyer you should start planning the interiors, shifting etc. However, just 15 days to the handover they send you a communication that the project is further delayed by 3-6 months. Reason - downturn in the market & they are having cash problems.
Below is an excerpt from their official communication:
"We regret to inform you that due to the unexpected slowdown, liquidity and financial crunch, the construction work of Sobha Daffodil slowed down over the past 3 to 4 months. We are sure you will understand the situation that we are in; we request you to bear with us for this additional delay and sincerely apologize for it. Commencement for handover of the apartments for interiors will start now wef 30th Nov ’09. Please do understand that the apartment will be handed over for interiors only.
If in their existing projects, if they are having cash problems, how can they start other projects and commit delivery by May 2009. It is nothing but plain cheating and fraudulent activity.
The Sobha brand name is no more. They are here to cheat innocent people.
Sobha is continuously sending us project getting late information. Every time they say the project will be ready in next 3 months, and as a buyer you should start planning the interiors, shifting etc. However, just 15 days to the handover they send you a communication that the project is further delayed by 3-6 months. Reason - downturn in the market & they are having cash problems.
Below is an excerpt from their official communication:
"We regret to inform you that due to the unexpected slowdown, liquidity and financial crunch, the construction work of Sobha Daffodil slowed down over the past 3 to 4 months. We are sure you will understand the situation that we are in; we request you to bear with us for this additional delay and sincerely apologize for it. Commencement for handover of the apartments for interiors will start now wef 30th Nov ’09. Please do understand that the apartment will be handed over for interiors only.
If in their existing projects, if they are having cash problems, how can they start other projects and commit delivery by May 2009. It is nothing but plain cheating and fraudulent activity.
The Sobha brand name is no more. They are here to cheat innocent people.
Wednesday, March 4, 2009
Sobha Developers - Sobha Hillview: Arbitrary Changes in Maintenance Charges
Sobha has now sent letters to all the property owners in their Hill View project that as against the agreed provision of payment of Rs.2 lacs as deposit for maintenance, they have now proposed Rs.36 per sq.ft. per year as maintenance charge and further Rs.38 per sq.ft. as sinking fund.
This is completely outside the scope of the agreement. All the flat owners must immediately write back to sobha resisting any such move.
Sobha hill view projects are delayed by 12 months. Pls make sure they pay you the rent in terms of the agreement.
This is completely outside the scope of the agreement. All the flat owners must immediately write back to sobha resisting any such move.
Sobha hill view projects are delayed by 12 months. Pls make sure they pay you the rent in terms of the agreement.
Sunday, February 22, 2009
Sobha Developers - Sobha Hillview: Delay in Delivery
Hello all,
By now, you all must have got the mail from Col. Narula regarding further delay in handing over Suncrest flats. My assessment is that this delay will further extend as much of the work has come to a stand still. The common facilities like the club house, parking, STP etc., are not progressing at all. Unless these are completed, Sobha will not register and hand-over the flats. And on top of this, there is no mention of any compensation from them for this delay.
Unless we ALL come together to pressurize Sobha to act and finish the project soonest, things won't move. By all, I mean the entire Hillview project's flat owners. We share all the common facilities with Sunbeam and Sunscape. Plus there is strength in numbers.
I am willing to create an online petition for this purpose. We also need to evaluate what our options are - consumer court, arbitration, bad publicity in various forums etc. If any of you know or is a legal expert, please let me know.
Unless we move fast and decisively, I see no light at the end of this tunnel.
Regards,
Natarajan
By now, you all must have got the mail from Col. Narula regarding further delay in handing over Suncrest flats. My assessment is that this delay will further extend as much of the work has come to a stand still. The common facilities like the club house, parking, STP etc., are not progressing at all. Unless these are completed, Sobha will not register and hand-over the flats. And on top of this, there is no mention of any compensation from them for this delay.
Unless we ALL come together to pressurize Sobha to act and finish the project soonest, things won't move. By all, I mean the entire Hillview project's flat owners. We share all the common facilities with Sunbeam and Sunscape. Plus there is strength in numbers.
I am willing to create an online petition for this purpose. We also need to evaluate what our options are - consumer court, arbitration, bad publicity in various forums etc. If any of you know or is a legal expert, please let me know.
Unless we move fast and decisively, I see no light at the end of this tunnel.
Regards,
Natarajan
Saturday, February 14, 2009
Sobha Developers Ltd - Sobha Moonstone Bad experience
I have paid advance in 2006 for Sobha Moonstone with a promise from builder that permissions would come in 2 to 3 months. At last permission has come in the month of Feb 2008. At the time of sale agreement down payment of 25% is made. Even after one year construction has not started. There is no communication from the builder. Whenever you reach CRM they say "Construction will start very soon". Huge amount of Pre EMI money is lost in this game. Construction is delayed by at least 2 years as of today.
Risks with this builder:
1) Construction agreement is one sided. One particular clause which says "If you modify the apartment builder is not liable for any penality charges for delay". Technically the project can be delayed for ever but till if you changed your flooring from Vitrified tiles to granite Sobha is never liable for any payments.
2) Lack of communication: Once booking amount is paid they will never contact you again. You are at their mercy.
3) Escalation Mechanism: They don't understand nor respect any escalations.
4) Penalty clauses: On cancellation of either parties fault you will lose 25% during booking time and 5% on total construction cost of the apartment (Not on the money you paid so far, total construction cost)
5) For any reason if they are unable to build only option is to move to some other apartment, you will never get back money. You can join http://groups.google.com/group/sobha-moonstone google groups.
Risks with this builder:
1) Construction agreement is one sided. One particular clause which says "If you modify the apartment builder is not liable for any penality charges for delay". Technically the project can be delayed for ever but till if you changed your flooring from Vitrified tiles to granite Sobha is never liable for any payments.
2) Lack of communication: Once booking amount is paid they will never contact you again. You are at their mercy.
3) Escalation Mechanism: They don't understand nor respect any escalations.
4) Penalty clauses: On cancellation of either parties fault you will lose 25% during booking time and 5% on total construction cost of the apartment (Not on the money you paid so far, total construction cost)
5) For any reason if they are unable to build only option is to move to some other apartment, you will never get back money. You can join http://groups.google.com/group/sobha-moonstone google groups.
Saturday, November 15, 2008
Sobha Developers - Sobha Petunia
I’m looking for anyone who has booked an apt in Sobha Petunia. I had not seen this blog before. We have gone ahead and booked a flat and paid quite a bit as usual the CRM dept is doing nothing for the customers.
We booked in the understanding that they would allow few modifications (like a pooja room and converting the servant room to an office). This is supposedly a super luxury apt but none of the accessories used in the model show any kind of luxury if any… The CRM dept insists among all the customers who have booked an apt at petunia we are the only ones who wants changes in the flat and make it a home..!!!!!!!!!!! If anyone has booked a flat please write a line here and we can form a forum and get Sobha to hear us out.
We booked in the understanding that they would allow few modifications (like a pooja room and converting the servant room to an office). This is supposedly a super luxury apt but none of the accessories used in the model show any kind of luxury if any… The CRM dept insists among all the customers who have booked an apt at petunia we are the only ones who wants changes in the flat and make it a home..!!!!!!!!!!! If anyone has booked a flat please write a line here and we can form a forum and get Sobha to hear us out.
Sunday, October 12, 2008
Sobha Developers - Sobha Moonstone
I have booked an apt in Sobha Moonstone almost 2 years back by paying an advance of 2 lakhs. After a year long of delays they have got necessary approvals. Feb 08 they made us pay 25% down payment. From then they have hardly constructed as there is a rock and they are unable to blast it. If I move out according to agreement papers I need to lose 5% of the total cost of the project. What are the options do I have? The project will get delayed by at least 2 years, so is it wise moving out? I am afraid if I move to other projects the story might continue.
Monday, March 17, 2008
Sobha Developers - Sobha Iris - Customers loose Sobha Wins
Sobha’s reputation as a dependable builder both in terms of quality & delivery made me opt for them. However in reality my experience has been quite the opposite. On quality - I do not know yet as they claim to have German engineers certifying each apartment. This also needs to be verified as rumors abound that they have done away with German certification. On the delivery side the project is already delayed by 1 year and by the time the handover is made it looks like it will be another 6 months.
Whatever the reasons I have lost substantially, in terms of interest on amounts paid, higher registration, electricity and water levies etc. An approximate amount would be Rs 10 lakhs as losses.
Sobha has displayed a ’don’t care’ attitude to the several queries and demands to share/compensate losses taking cover behind one sided agreements. Customers are not eligible for compensation for delays if they opt for even minor modifications, say changing color of floor tiles or adding electrical switches. Ridiculous by any sense!
Please be extremely careful when signing agreements with them. Fortunately it is a buyer’s market and all intending buyers should ensure a win position as much as possible.
Whatever the reasons I have lost substantially, in terms of interest on amounts paid, higher registration, electricity and water levies etc. An approximate amount would be Rs 10 lakhs as losses.
Sobha has displayed a ’don’t care’ attitude to the several queries and demands to share/compensate losses taking cover behind one sided agreements. Customers are not eligible for compensation for delays if they opt for even minor modifications, say changing color of floor tiles or adding electrical switches. Ridiculous by any sense!
Please be extremely careful when signing agreements with them. Fortunately it is a buyer’s market and all intending buyers should ensure a win position as much as possible.
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